Media ID 0184-A |
Insight ’85 – Homosexual Law Reform Bill (1985) and Radio Pacific talkback (12 April 1985) on the night after the North Shore meeting on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill
Unique ID | 1124420625-76 | ||||||||||||||||||
Speakers | Alison Laurie, Colonel Campbell, Fran Wilde, Geoff Braybrooke, John Lee, talkback callers, unidentified speakers | ||||||||||||||||||
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Comments | Sound quality – recorded off the radio. The cassette states a record date of 13 April 1985 – however other sources state that the North Shore meeting happened on Thursday 11 April, with this talkback session on Friday 12 April) | ||||||||||||||||||
Disclaimer | This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome. |
01:10 | Montage from speeches in Parliament.. gay marriages are next.. |
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02:05 | The Bill is in two parts.. |
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02:45 | Geoff Braybrooke – the next step will be gay marriage and adoption of children.. the breakdown of society.. Militant homosexuals.. we shouldn’t legalize sodomy.. it’s evil.. it’s a moral issue.. Norman Kirk told me that laws that strengthen the family are good laws.. The only way we can stop this Bill is with public opinion. |
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04:50 | Fran Wilde – Even five years ago a Heylen Poll came out in favour of change.. it is simply not an issue any more for a lot of people.. I believe it will be a nine day wonder.. |
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06:00 | The Salvation Army |
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06:14 | Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – Let’s look at the scriptures.. |
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07:40 | Wilde – There are things in the Bible that today aren’t acceptable .. adultery |
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09:00 | Venn Young’s Bill in 1974 |
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09:30 | John McDavitt – The gay community is not going to accept the age of consent being higher than heterosexuals |
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10:35 | Wilde – I am rigid .. there should be the same age of consent for everyone |
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12:50 | Alison Laurie – Age of consent issue.. The majority of child abuse is in the heterosexual community .. girls need equal - if not more protection from men than boys |
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14:49 | McDavitt - Part Two of the Bill – discrimination .. Human Rights Commission Act.. We want protection .. Have you been discriminated against? |
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16:40 | John Lee (Council for Civil Liberties) – The Act and the Commission have so far had a few problems.. There may be some practical difficulties in implementing the Act.. but the principals are important |
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19:30 | Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – we would want to choose who we employ.. we want to lead homosexuals through that experience.. we may be forced to break the law .. alcoholism example.. |
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21:30 | Wilde – there will some exemptions.. |
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23:20 | Geoff Braybrooke – there is a sense of outrage in New Zealand.. there is no mandate for this.. it opens up a whole can of worms.. if this Bill becomes law I will seek a referendum.. This is an attach on family life |
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24:30 | Wilde – if we had a referendum on everything that was controversial we wouldn’t get anywhere.. The Parliamentary system has safeguards .. Any Bill has five votes before it is passed.. |
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26:40 | McDavitt – When sticky questions come up Parliament has to deal with them |
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28:00 | Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – I move around this country a bit and find a lot of people dismayed that this Bill was brought forward |
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28:50 | Wilde – The Bill will get through .. but there is a lot of work to do |
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29:20 | McDavitt – the gay community has been waiting for at least ten years.. We are entitled to be citizens of this country |
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| Radio Pacific talkback (12 April 1985, the night after the North Shore meeting) |
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30:00 | (poor radio reception) Hormone test for homosexuality.. |
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31:15 | Caller: Jean – Reading from Science ‘84 September issue – people must learn not to discriminate .. we expect everyone to be the same .. that’s crazy |
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33:00 | Caller: Margaret - I feel equality is important for everybody.. it’s a medical thing, not religious |
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34:00 | Caller: Margaret - Is there a rise in homosexuality? Fatherless families.. historic societies.. I was brought up in the Salvation Army .. age of consent .. when boys are around fifteen they have a lot of fantasies .. spread of AIDS .. The Salvation Army would take in AIDS victims.. they’re very compassionate |
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36:12 | Caller: Maureen - I was one of the three demonstrators – demonstrating for ANZUS (?).. There’s a lot of protests coming up.. ANZUS, Springboks, Law Reform .. turning into professional demonstrators.. militant homosexuals.. |
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41:00 | Caller: Peg – I’d like to set up a scrabble club.. we’re looking for members |
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43:20 | Radio adverts |
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43:45 | Caller: Molly – I want to talk about cabbages |
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