Media ID   0236-A    

Unique ID

1126151752-74

Speakers

Fran Wilde, Graeme Lee, Merv Wellington, Michael Cullen, Norm Jones, Philip Woollaston, Robert Muldoon, Tony Friedlander

Related media

0235-B, 0237-A

Details

Source tape		0236-A
Date		9 April 1986
Source		Parliament
Copyright		Parliament
Recorded by		Barry Neels
Deposited by		Barry Neels

Comments

Committee Stages span 0231 – 0238

Disclaimer

This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.

Debate begins on whether this is an Appropriation Bill [i.e. A Bill granting authority to expend public money or to incur expenses for detailed purposes]

01:20

Merv Wellington – point of order ..historic Speakers Rulings ..an extra charge on the people if this matter proceeds.. I haven’t raised this earlier in fairness to Fran Wilde to see what likely course this Bill was to take .. Would the Crown be prepared to back this Bill with public money..

07:30

Philip Woollaston– a spurious point

08:50

Chairman – ruling

09:50

Graeme Lee – point of order

12:00

Michael Cullen – point of order

13:00

Tony Friedlander – point of order

14:20

Cullen – speaking to point of order

15:10

Chairman – ruling

15:30

Merv Wellington – seeking guidance.. revenue implications of this measure..

19:00

Chairman – ruling

20:50

Wellington - I seek the leave of the Committee.. that the Speaker return..

22:00

Graeme Lee – point of order ..seek leave .. move to debate Part Two clause-by-clause.. we have had limited opportunity to address the Committee Stage .. 19 amendments..

24:45

Chairman – should Part Two stand apart

25:30

Norm Jones – Part Two is the most obnoxious part .. 98% of normal New Zealanders are having their rights violated .. This Parliament will be telling all New Zealanders that homosexuality is morally right.. discrimination.. you’re going to regret ever passing this Bill.. this Bill is saying homosexuality has to be encouraged and financed by the Government.. teaching it in the schools..

[TAPE WOBBLE, REWOUND]

29:00

Jones – Anyone opposing teaching homosexuality will be taken to court.. any preacher who gets up and preaches against sodomy will be breaking the law..

31:50

Fran Wilde – Norm Jones summed up all the prejudices.. The Bill will not prohibit free speech.. Norm Jones is most welcome to campaign in my electorate.. The Bill eliminates discrimination in the area of sexual orientation..

34:40

Chairman

34:50

Merv Wellington – point of order.. extra charges .. I’ve consulted during the tea break.. increasing the State’s liability .. it is an Appropriation Bill

37:50

Chairman – ruled on this before

38:45

Graeme Lee – point of order ..

39:44

Philip Woollaston – speaking to point of order

40:13

Robert Muldoon – speaking to point of order .. would it be appropriate for me to move to report progress

41:40

Fran Wilde - speaking to point of order .. we are wasting the time of the House..

42:40

Merv Wellington – speaking to point of order .. AIDS.. extra charge on the people.. She’s (Fran Wilde) had a fair go.. additional taxation.. When this Bill first came in, Parliament did not appreciate all of the ramifications of the measure.. Let us dissolve the Committee and go back into Parliament proper.. [continues on 0237-A]