Media ID   0241-B    

Unique ID

1126209555-33

Speakers

Alison Laurie, Colonel Campbell, Fran Wilde, Geoff Braybrooke, John Lee, John McDavitt, Norm Jones, Peter Tait, unidentified speakers

Related media

0080-A, 0184-A, 0191-A, 0241-A

Details

Source tape		0241-B
Date		1985
Source		National Programme, unknown
Copyright		National Programme, unknown
Recorded by		Barry Neels
Deposited by		Barry Neels

Comments

A complete and better quality version of Insight ’85 – Homosexual Law Reform Bill appears on 0184-A. Lower Hutt meeting audio also appears on 0080-B. Norm Jones interview with Jessica Weddell also appears on 0191-A. This tape ‘squeaked’ a few times

Disclaimer

This summary gives general themes as to the content of this recording. It is not a verbatim transcript. Always refer back to the original audio. This is a working document and any amendments/corrections are welcome.

Insight ’85 – Homosexual Law Reform Bill (1985) [continued from 0241-A. Note a complete, better quality version of this programme appears on 0184-A]

01:15

Fran Wilde – there should be the same age of consent for everyone..

03:00

Alison Laurie – Age of consent issue.. The majority of child abuse is in the heterosexual community .. girls need equal - if not more protection from men than boys

04:50

John McDavitt - Part Two of the Bill – discrimination .. Human Rights Commission Act.. We want protection .. Have you been discriminated against?

[TAPE SQUEAK, REWOUND]

08:00

John Lee (Council for Civil Liberties) – The Act and the Commission have so far had a few problems.. There may be some practical difficulties in implementing the Act.. but the principals are important

11:00

Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – we would want to choose who we employ.. we want to lead homosexuals through that experience.. we may be forced to break the law .. alcoholism example..

12:55

Wilde – there will some exemptions..

14:40

Geoff Braybrooke – there is a sense of outrage in New Zealand.. there is no mandate for this.. it opens up a whole can of worms.. if this Bill becomes law I will seek a referendum.. This is an attach on family life

15:40

Wilde – if we had a referendum on everything that was controversial we wouldn’t get anywhere..

[TAPE SQUEAK, REWOUND]

17:00

Wilde - The Parliamentary system has safeguards .. Any Bill has five votes before it is passed..

18:30

McDavitt – When sticky questions come up Parliament has to deal with them

19:50

Colonel Campbell (Salvation Army) – I move around this country a bit and find a lot of people dismayed that this Bill was brought forward

20:40

Wilde – The Bill will get through .. but there is a lot of work to do

21:00

McDavitt – the gay community has been waiting for at least ten years.. We are entitled to be citizens of this country

Norm Jones interviewed by Jessica Weddell (Join Jessica, National Programme)

21:25

Norm Jones – this is their last chance.. the increasing frequency of AIDS..

22:00

Jones – there’s only 13 homosexuals in jail at the moment on homosexual charges .. There hasn’t been a prosecution for consenting adults for fourteen years..

23:20

Jones – the State isn’t in the bedrooms of the nation.. anal intercourse

24:00

Jones – between consenting adults.. age of consent is sixteen.. twelve year olds.. let’s not talk about consenting adults here.. we are talking about twelve year olds

24:56

Jones – what concerns me is the age of twelve.. anal intercourse.. Human Rights Act.. discrimination.. this means you’ll have to employ them.. alternative legal lifestyle.. 5% of the population who are homosexuals.. getting pushed down the throat of 95% of the population..

26:00

Jones – they clear them out of the police and in the army.. known homosexuals can’t even get a license to become a taxi driver.. you can’t be a bar owner..

27:20

Jones – Under this Bill I wouldn’t be able to speak to you now.. poof kept asking me - Why are you wanting to put me in jail Mr Jones..

[TAPE SQUEAK, REWOUND]

29:20

Jones – Last year, 120 persons charged with homosexual assault.. 125 homosexual persons charged with indecency

30:40

Jones – the Bill legalises in public if there’s consent.. twelve years of age.. it decriminalises it.. Homosexuals in boarding schools.. scouts.. US Armed Forces .. homosexuals are bad news .. I was never propositioned..

33:00

Jessica – homosexuals in public officers..

33:30

Jones – San Francisco.. in public office.. 200,000 marched through the streets of San Francisco.. they didn’t say there were 600 sitting there with AIDS.. within two years in this country.. we’ve got twelve cases now.. we could have four or five hundred cases.. That’s where AIDS is proliferating.. from the homosexual community.. If they don’t get the Bill through this time AIDS itself will see that it never comes in.

35:30

Jones – AIDS came from Africa.. high risk groups.. they say they want to come out of the closet.. where they are out of the closet .. 175 cases in New South Wales.. the major spread of it is through the homosexual community.. In San Francisco we’ve got a whole hospital given over to AIDS cases.. 50% fatality rate with AIDS.. you don’t want that here.. the majority are homosexuals..

Lower Hutt meeting (1985) [This audio appears on 0080-B at around 37:00]

38:30

Keith Hay is the organiser of the petition .. he says he doesn’t know anything about homosexuality.. we are citizens of this country.. we demand our rights.. support the Bill, condemn the petition..

[TAPE SQUEAK, REWOUND]

40:00

.. Have your name removed..

41:00

Norm Jones – Go back into the sewers.. you’re looking into Hades.. you’re going to self destruct..

42:00

Peter Tait – being picked up story .. Will you let me suck you..

43:00

“I’m the Latent Homosexual” song

43:50

What is homophobia ..

Interview with Fran Wilde (1985) about public meetings and future tactics concerning the Homosexual Law Reform Bill

44:20

Fran Wilde – people only seem to see what they see in the media.. the behaviour of the people opposing the Bill is far worse..

45:30

The Gay Task Force have announced new tactics

46:00

Wilde – the Masterton meeting was a good one..

46:55

Wilde – I’m most concerned that public opinion be maintained in favour of this Bill .. it’s important now to educate the public.. I want to see public discussion.. radio talkback.. letters to the editor.. letters to MPs.. it’s a public education programme.. I’ve found when you run through the facts people start agreeing with you..

48:30

Wilde – the opposition will continue on religious grounds..